31 comments on “Coming (real) Soon: The Crown Initiative

  1. Three things come to (my) mind… (In light of the recent/latest post on A&Q’s ‘class of 2022’).

    1. I wonder if TCI will be as discreet, if not more so, than The Camp.

    2. I hope TCI’s men’s program will be much better than anything we have right now. Mas matigas ulo ng mga boys! If girls need to start (ideally) in their mid-teens, baka boys right after puberty even. AT, DAPAT, T-A-L-L. PLENTY of physicality will be key (for the boys), like training a dog or taming a wild elephant/horse (though I will admit this latter raises issues on animal rights/ethics).

    3. Now, I wonder why ‘personality development’ providers like John Robert Powers or Dale Carnegie didn’t bother to explore this market/niche. So, I assume it was deemed more profitable/less risky to concentrate on the corporate scene… Nonetheless, BPCI makes use of DC’s services. Should TCI tie up with a group/organization/firm offering a similar scope? Para mas wholistic pa lalo?

  2. Sayang ang kuda ni riveria, scorgrageous, at hanashera. panalo sana sa kudahan kaso itinakda na ang 3 reynas…FLORera, BONGuton @ FABebe chimp. Thanks sa mga esoteric terms nyo inengs, na broaden vocabulary ko. 🤗🤗🤗🤗😁😁😁😁

  3. Congratulations, The Crown Initiative! I would be very interested to see how this A&Q 2.0 camp will rival the A&Q 1.0 camp in terms of producing winners in the Big 3 pageants this year.

    I hope that A&Q2.0 actually field Miss Earth Philippines and other pageants to give KF a run for its money in that arena.

    Lastly, I’d like to see how MUP reacts to this offshoot A&Q 2.0 camp. Will they generate some positive noise or will they just become saling ket ket like KF and others and be runners up forever? hihihihi

  4. Thanks for the update dear blogger. In my humble opinion, the more pageant camps , the better.

    By the way, just for general info , technically how many pageant camps do we now have in the Philippines?

    I listed some that I can still remember

    1. Aces and Queens
    2. Kagandahang Flores
    3. RL’s Angels
    4. Gouldian
    5. Model Bicolano of Anjo Santos – coach of Miss Universe Vietnam 2018 , MUV since 2014
    6. The Camp
    7. Silver Linings
    8. House of JDV
    9. Team Galatea
    10. Paolo Ballesteros’
    11. Origin Model and Artist Management – Cebu-based
    12. D’Empire Talent and Management – Iloilo-based
    13. The MisOr block – I think there is a beauty camp or org that makes theiir beauty queens shine
    14. Cebu-based – there maybe a lot but I do not have any idea aside from Origin Model
    15. Davao-based – there maybe but I have no clue
    16. The Crown Initiative

    • @River Robles: Thanks for sharing a very comprehensive info! But what to do with this long list of beauty camps so that they become potent agents of pageantry development, and henceforth a significant component of a budding Philippine industry? I scribbled down some insights in my earlier comments to your comments-to-my-comments.

    • Maganda rin na maraming camp! But only a few of them will produce winners!

      Competition brings out the best in people!

      Tignan mo nangyari sa Venezuela! Iisa lang ang beauty camp nila kaya after silang layasan ni Osmel nanamlay yung organization! Ang chica nga nung nilayasan niya yung org binitbit niya yung buong glam team niya kaya start from the scratch yung Tes Marias na appointed! Existing pa rin yung beauty school nung alalay niya na si Giselle pero hindi na quality yung mga protege nila!

      Nasa Argentina na ngayon ang Lola pero hindi kasi ganun ka-hype ang pageantry dun kaya struggling sila! And may pagka-maldita rin mga merlat dun! Ewan ko kung napanood niyo video na itinulak ang Lola sa Swimming pool nung isang candidate, rumesbak ang lola at tinulak din yung candidata!

  5. I feel that this this not really a new camp but rather a “repackaged” camp

    Kasi karamihan nung members galing din ng AnQ

    Dun nga sa group photo nila kasama pati si Oyelle na IG admin ng forthephilippines

    And parang may kulang din sa team, may stylist which I believe for wardrobe planning pero walang make up artist para sa kalandian! Charot! And wala ding fitness guru, nasan na si Cuay?

    Nevertheless, ang importante yung core ng camp eh existing na!

  6. The more the merrier.

    A sprout of a beauty pageant camp in this country, such as TCI, signifies that beauty pageant is becoming an interestingly stable industry here.

    I just hope that this new camp can scout standout beauties in suburbs and hone the girls for the pageant they fit in. If they are true to their vision, TCI should start hunting the girls who would be fielded years from now and not months before the pageant starts. Pageant training and what not are supposedly a long and tedious process and must be holistic. The girls should be taught comprehensive learnings in pageantry and in life as a whole, precisely because pageantry is not absolutely a beautiful ride, as there are downfalls coming along the way in a girl’s journey. Thus, a good approach is the girls should be prepared for any hurtful realities in pageantry very early. Ergo, trainers would then act as life coaches there and not just mentors.

    I expect beauty pageant camps to do scouting of girls in their teenage years. Go to campuses and if girls with full potentials are spotted there, then sign them up and give them good perks such as scholarship, allowances, board and lodging, etc. By then, beauty pageant camps would have to field an outstanding girl in the nationals.

    One advantage I see in training girls at an early age is that if there are aesthetic remedies that should be applied on a girl, they would be done long before the girls start their pageant journey. It is certainly good to see girls who have had aesthetics because they would be looked more natural as years go by. It is never ideal to see a girl surgically transforming while they are already on their pageant journey. Never.

    So, best of luck TCI!

    That’s all.

    • Nosebleed ako madam. Masyado mong ginagalingan. Truth ka sa sinabi mo hind lang maintindihan ng nag thumsdown. Baka mahina intindi nyan kaya thumsdown na lang. Ha ha ha. Magtayo din kayo ni scorg at seege ng camp siguro the best camp sa jnyo. Baka madami kayo maishare sa training.

      • @Madam Inutz: I have more thumbs down than @Ana Winter-Lund. WTF– for two positive and hopeful insights on Philippine pageantry? I hope it really is “baka mahina intindi nyan kaya thumbs down na lang. Ha ha ha.”, not because they are not interested in making pageantry a significant contributor to Philippine economy. If that is the case, I don’t know how to comprehend this ironic show of pageant fanaticism and disdain for pageantry development.

      • @Madam Inutz, thanks for the appreciation. There are mornings my English foundation and critical mind are jibing well after waking up, hence the kuda. Pagbigyan mo na ako dear. This blog has become my outlet whenever I feel my waist goes up my neck. I am here naman not to please anybody, but share my views lang. So, whether my views are popular or not, it’s up to the reader. But of course, I am glad most of the time our co-resident commenters here agree on or like my views.

        @scorg, I don’t count on thumbs down. I am sure we both know that those downers’ aim is to simply annoy us. Just remember, the greater thumbs down you have, the bigger impact you have caused them, that is unless there is one person who does that. Eerie!

        That’s all.

      • @Ana Winter-Lund: You’re correct– the bigger number of thumbs down, the more impact our ideas have caused our haters (or as @Cool Brew once alluded, those who are simply envious of how we elucidate our thoughts). I don’t normally mind thumbs down. But when it is on views and insights that are clearly positive and developmental (like your suggestions on proactive ways to develop raw talents, and my wish for the full development of pageantry into a value-adding industry to the Philippine economy), thumbs downs give an eerie messaging that pageant fanaticism of some people does not translate to the desire for pageantry development. You are correct that thumbs downs are meant to annoy. But I wish these negatrons and trolls come out of their crypts and express their divergent views in this open market of ideas. Or maybe they are just simply fearful of arguments and devoid of reason.

      • @Ana Winter-Lund: The last phrase in your last sentence referring to the thumbs-downer “unless there is [only] one person who does that” made me think. It really must be one or two trolls who has/have a lot of gadgets or who has a trolling App. There are more or less the same number of thumbs downs in my comment echoing Pia’s call for people to get vaccinated, me having personally experienced the trauma of isolation after having tested positive and the grief of having lost loved ones from the disease. And how the thumbs downs were registered is like overnight! Sure there is one who stalks my comments everytime. I have not yet finished posting the second part of my comments (as Admin does not seem to accept long write-ups), there is already a pesky thumbs down on the first part. But the one who takes pleasure in keying-in thumbs downs I suspect to be only one or two trolls. It’s annoying, but not discouraging.

    • Ana the Philippines is no Venezuela. Look at their 17 18 year olds and compare that to us, nakakaloka. Kaya there’s few teenager beauty queens recently, the latest at least is Maggie Wilson and Janina San Miguel, national titleholders at 17, 5″9 and 5″10. Sobrang bihira nang ganyan.

  7. From an industry standpoint, this is a welcome development, another step towards making the Philippines the epicenter of global pageantry development. I hope they will also accommodate foreign trainees.

    I’d like to see the day when the Philippines has truly become the go-to site of pageant afficionados from different countries– from training, to gowns, to swimsuit/ resort wear/ casual wear, to footwear, to fashion accessories, to bags, to styling, to skin care products, to video production, to App development, etcetera. In this country where the celebration of beauty is year-round, as it has deep historical and cultural roots, pageantry has great potentials of being an industry with significant value-adding contribution to GDP.

    • It already started with Gouldian and also with KF training Miss Earth Ghana, Miss Indonesia and our pageant coaches and speech coaches being requested for example by Miss Universe Vietnam and Aces and Queens with Miss Universe Singapore.

      We also need to filter if its a training requested by that country’s national director of said pageant or the candidate’s only (still remember Miss International from Indonesia).

      There is a Filipino mafia of sorts in the world of pageantry come to think of it 🙂

      • @River Robles: Good observations! I hope each member of this “Filipino mafia of sorts in the world of pageantry” has to professionalize and go into mainstream. As it is now, it is a guerilla marketing, sort of a touch-and-go. Locally, some of them are now-you-see-them-now-you-don’t. Internationally, it’s like a once-in-a-blue-moon opportunity. For pageantry training to be an important component of this growing Philippine industry, it has to evolve into a business entity, not simply a hobby or personal passion of some magnanimous do-gooders. It should not wait for walk-ins, but consistently take the initiative to look for talents. @Ana Winter-Lund suggested some of the proactive ways to do this in a previous comment.

    • Hi @scorg, I do agree in making it mainstream and professionalize the pageant coaching industry.

      We have a bevy of pageants and pageant candidates from all over the Philippines for all genders (female, male, diverse). I am just mentioning local, the market is big when we do open up to international and foreign organizations and candidates.

      What I am guessing is probably they copied the same system as advertising or marketing gowns by designers, designers sponsor these gowns to be worn by candidates they favor or vice versa. Fortunately for this, the result is celebrities buying gowns from M5 and his cohorts. However for pageant coaching, what do they get, I don’t even know if there is contract between the camp and the titleholder wherein saying if you win this title, we get to share this 50% of the winnings (again I am just assuming).

      However I will list down factors that should be considered if we do professionalize it and make it mainstream

      1. Local vs international – There would always be some resistance from local fans that expertise is being shared to other countries hence that would be the first problem they would probably encounter. However for me, I belive in what the Dalai Lama said: Share your knowledge, it is a way to achieve immortality. So by doing local maybe for the 1st two years, they should at least open up to international clients after.

      2. Business model – how will they profit from this, it is easy, there is demand from clients, from all would be- local pageant candidates, from the Filipino diaspora and Filipino communities who also field their own pageant candidates in both Philippine pageants , foreign candidates who wants to excel and win their respective pageants, national directors who wants to their respective countries’ candidate win or place in an international pageant (which is more sustainable), with all those levels from local, overseas cummunities and international franchises -there should be a tier of fees appropriate for type of client as I mentioned. Also if its not upfront fees, are prizes and winnings given to the winning candidate could be subdivided between candidate and said camp.

      3. Knowledge is immortal but the pageant coach is not. Example, JDV just passed away, Osmel Sousa is getting old and we all know what this means. The more we stay unorganized or not function like a professional company, the knowledge will just end in that persons head. Some people will argue that students or previous alumni would be good coaches, I disagree with that, because a pageant coach is different from being a candidate. He has the big picture, he knows what is the best ftraining package for Miss International, Miss Universe, Miss World, Miss Earth, MIss Grand International etc

      4.New pageants – each year there are new pageants both local and international, how would you keep up and if I was a candidate, I would rather be prepared and go be trained by someone. However how would I do it if I need a padrino, I need someone from Manila, I need to know Norman, if you ask newbies, they always need handler to join, they have to be rich as Aya Abesamis or Sam Panlilio, artistas, you were discovered by Rene Salud , Jonas Gafud etc. How about if I have money and just pay for this training and go to a website and pay for the service of a certain coach , money would just be the condition, it would be much convenient, formal, better and without padrino system.

      5. Independence of the camp – I would also like to stress the independence of the camp will be much more prominent if they have company name and a business name. It would not be affilaited with Bb Pilipinas, Miss Universe Philippines or ALVs or Tita Cory’s. I think that is why there is no real company behind pageant camps is because they want to avoid this.

      6. Resources of the camp – well for now, we can say there are only few who does full time. Most have their own day jobs. So if this would be professionalized at least we also help recognize the talents, abilities and capabilties of the people behind the candidates success. I am not even sure if they are insured (they travel locally and internationally, what if something happened, passion can not feed the people you left behind), what if I got sick of COVID19 supporting a candidate, who pays? what f my headdress was not used for an international pageant – can I sue, what if my photos were used without permission, how should I claim?

      Well nice talking to you @scorg and obviously I like this topic . I am just new here so if this is too long, just tell me.

      • @River Robles: Insightful commentary! Glad to see yet another commenter contributing his knowledge for the advancement of pageantry. I hope the concerned people get to read positive and developmental comments like this. Insights from various professional disciplines would definitely be beneficial to this budding industry, not disparaging remarks and thumbs down by negatrons and trolls who exhibit an odd mix of pageant fanaticism and disdain for pageantry development.

  8. @flor tuna @scorg @serge @tito norman
    Conde Nast will launch Vogue Philippines in Sept 2022!!!

    • @Bert< noted with thanks. Friendly reminder if you have not read yet my late reply to your request for an opinion on PBCI's succession planning. If I'm not mistaken, it's in Sir Norman's blog entry "From the Relative Unknown to the Familiar".

  9. @flor tuna @scorg @serge @tito norman
    Conde Nqst will launch Vogue Philippines in Sept 2022!!!

  10. The more, the many-er! And yet another beauty camp. There must really be money in this niche industry. Will this new camp be as altruistic as KF and A&Q who offer their service gratis?

    Oh well, let us be kind and just say that their Logo is very classy looking. The name though is so contrived. The Crown Initiative? Baduy. Lol.

    But let us be honest.

    Renee Salud? He / She / It of the old style open-close gowns Ala Chat Silayan and Desiree Verdadero. He / She / It whose face has undergone so many retokes and thus would espouse the same? Who was the last queen Mama Renee produced?

    Desiree Verdadero? Now an adviser? She who was not able to train or advise well her own daughter to even manage a decent placement? I don’t think so.

    Patty Betita? Did she even place in her pageant? I don’t think so. And typical of ex queens, the route taken is to be a “personality development coach” ek ek.

    All the other names mentioned above, I don’t know anything about. But if the blogger claims that a few were associated with A&Q before, there must be a juicy story behind the parting of ways.

    World Peace.

    • These people have experience in the past and actually competed in the world stage. We cannot just undermine that. Look at Sushmita when she took over Miss India, they experienced their own version of dark ages. Who was Jonas when he started during mid 2000s? A pageant enthusiast who wanted to uplift the pageantry. A lot of trial and error and tons of heartbreaks until Venus Raj started the semis streak. Huwag masyadong nega and give them the chance to contribute to the industry. World peace din!

  11. I am excited about the things this new beauty camp has to offer. Aspiring beauty queens nowadays are very lucky. There are plenty of beauty camps to choose from in this country.

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